I need to get a vi's panel and or window bounds but Im unable to do this without opening the vi. At the moment Im opening the VI for an instant before closing it again to insert into a subpanel (resizing the subpanel using the panel bounds of the VI). My question is, is there a way to work around this behavior? I read the documentation and NI suggests that I use the 'state/hidden' property to get the panel bounds -but I get an error when trying to do this, as the VI needs to be open to set this property -hence another open and close situation.